Before you buy
What Sony recommend ?
1. They recommend size of 60” and up for average living rooms
Bigger the better but it seems little weird. Room size, seating size and media types are all different for evryone. The price of UHD TV’s fall recently. But it doesn't mean its still affordable. Maybe a good time to pick one. But watch out for below points if you are getting TV for gaming because streaming and gaming on TV is a bit different.
best TV size for your living room?
Note:- The following chart applies to only 4K TV
3.5 to 5 feet - 49"
5 to 6 feet - 55" and 60'' are good. In doubt? Get the bigger one
6 to 7 feet - 65"
more than 7 feet - 75"
2. HDR10 capability
Apparently the above explains only the top of mountain. There are further information you should know to make sure you are spending for the right one. Afterall, you are paying for premium experience.
1. True Ultra- HD (4k)
UHD is a resolution of 3840 pixels × 2160 which is the consumer format.
2. HDR10
Have a look at HDR games compared to non HDR. It's on monitor and not TV.The video is just a glimpse of what real HDR looks like. Because you are watching it through the standard HD monitor or non-HDR compatible device. And game is on 144HZ monitor with peak brightness of 1000 nits and 384 backlight zone. PS4 pro is capped @ 60HZ if you are wondering.
Now to the interesting parts. There are two standards. Dolby and HDR10. Some TV’s support only one standard. Some support two. But Sony recommends HDR10 capability.because they chose to go with it. Companies name it differently. LG calls it HDR Pro. Sony does have their branding and calls it 4K HDR. And Samsung adopted SUHD branding.That being said a lot of TVs that claim to have HDR10 can't use it well or at all. lot of them use 8-bit panels, but only the true 10-bit tv panels can use it to its full extent.That's explained next
3. 10bit panel
Get 10bit one to take full advantage of HDR. Why? What’s the difference between 8bit and 10bit? Here is the excerpt from 4k.com and check what they say. If you don't want to read it, then in short '8 bit is 16 million colour and 10 bit - 1billion colors!
4. Low input lag
Its where things get even complicated. The main problem of TV’s compared to monitors is high input lag. Once you turn on the HDR + 4K mode lag gets even higher. Don't freak out. Some TVs does have Game mode to tackle this problem. Buy the one with very low input lag.
5. 8 Bit panel TVs
When you buy an 8-bit panel TV, it can receive and play from HDR video source but the content will not be HDR quality just downscaled to 8 bit. So you won't get the full experience of HDR.
6. 8-bit panel TV's with HDR10 (Dithering and AFRC (frame rate control))
AFRC is an 8-bit panel flickering rapidly between two shades of color to simulate an in between shade.Manufacturers often claim 8bit+ FRC as 10bit. But it is not good as true native 10bit panel TVs but come close.It's harder to tell the difference and notice it.
7.Wide color Gamut (WCG) & True HDR theory
4K TV's that don't have WCG support won't fully benefit from HDR because if everything about the TV is same and only difference is lack of WCG support then it won't do anything with HDR signal.The True HDR requires a very large color gamut (Rec. 2020), contrast ratio, and also maximum luminescence being able to output ~350 cd/m2 max. In reality, it should be able to produce extremely bright and dim element at the same time.
Based on official recommendation and high-end spec info already explained you should look at these models depends on budget.
And here is the PS4 pro display chart explaining what'll happen to the output?
I thought i should integrate this supported TV list. There's no point keeping it separate. If you want me to add anything i missed, let me know.The following are TV's with native 10- bit HDR10 support in 2019 so far.
And Finally,
We are wrong! we thought Sony is the only tv maker out of their mind with expensive Z9F despite being the HDR beast. Nop, Samsung is one step ahead with Q9F. Topping at 2000nits peak brightness, 100% color volume and incredible input lag (22ms), its the best HDR tv so far on paper. This indeed a mighty beast outgunning OLEDs and Z9F when comes to HDR gaming. But wait, that's not the point. HDR is not the only thing you should consider. If you are a midnight gamer play games only at night, and also from pricing point look no further, LG Oled C8 would be the smart buy. Input lag at 21ms, LG C8 is the best OLED gaming TV you can get in 2019.
LG Electronics OLED65C8P 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart OLED TV (2018 Model)
So why no QLED? well, there's nothing problem with buying QLED Q8 but the pricing seems off the chart when you can get a better tv for much less
Sony XBR65X900F 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2018 Model)
The Best Buget - 4K HDR10 for Everyone
TCL R617 4K Ultra HD Roku Smart LED TV (2018 Model)
The all new TCL R617 is a killer budget HDR TV with features of mid range tv. It suports Full-Array Backlight system. And we believe it has the same 72 zones like last year's p 607. Built for HDR gaming and movies. The best 4k HDR Tv for the money, kicking all other HDR tv's left and right when comes to budget gaming without sacrificing performance. And it also supports both HDR10 and Dolby vision! Hits the 1000 nits mark,~19ms input lag and performs incredibly well on games. The panel is 10 bit and outperforms the similarly priced all other models. You should get the R617 if you are looking for 55" or 65" at an affordable price.
Sony XBR49X900F 49-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2018 Model)
If we pick the best price/performance gaming tv of 2018, we'd go with X900F. Keep it in your pocket list of 2018. This indeed the best 4K HDR mid-range tv of the year.
Samsung QN49Q6F 49” QLED 4K UHD 6 Series Smart TV 2018
We do understand there's no one size that fits all home. But this is the smallest HDR tv we are able to find. we know its the 2017 model but it does have all the features you need.There is a new 2018 model 43" X850 but we don't know when it'll be available in us. probably never
Sony XBR-43X800E 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2017 Model)
Still, can’t find what to get? Wait for the new TV’s to come out or price to fall. New models comes out March. Price drops are during black Friday and Christmas.You’ll get awesome deals and can save a lot of money. If you have any recommendation or wants to see any info next to each TVs, please let me know! Have fun!
UPDATES
July 13, 2019 : Updated
July 13, 2019 : Updated
8 bit HDR TV can still make difference to a normal 4K non-HDR right?
ReplyDeleteYes there's significant difference in colors, contrast and brightness when 4k HDR TV compared to 4k non-HDR TV.
Delete*** To see the real difference, needs 'HDR content'
DeleteThe Sony x800d is actually a great 4k tv for ps4 pro. HDR10. 10 BIT. rtngs confirm it on their site.
ReplyDeleteYes. its good. I've been reading through my spec sheet catalog (secret). It says the panel is 8 bit. Then i read through rtings. they confirmed its 10 bit panel.Overall still good and HDR gaming rating of 7.9.
DeleteIf anyone is looking for a 50" 4K HDR TV HDR10 bit under $800, then this is your choice.I'll add it in the list on next update.
Thanks diabloblade
Hey guys do you know what the uk alternative to the Sony XBR49X800D 49-Inch 4K Ultra HD TV (2016 Model) is? I can't locate a uk seller for this particular model and wondered if it was named differently here?
DeleteSony XD80 is the UK alternative of Sony X800D
DeleteI hooked up my 800D to my ps4 pro after doing research to ensure this tv would work and the ps4 pro still says HDR is not supported
DeleteOn Sony TVs, You've to set "HDMI signal format" to "enhanced format". If it's still not working change the cables. As someone already pointed out the standard cables comes with PS4 pro may not work. You've to get Premium High Speed HDMI Cable that supports speeds of 18 Gbps (these are certified to work with 4K HDR content).
DeleteSome terrible choices of tvs here.. some are not even considered mid performers.. samsung ks9500 or LG Oled 65B6 should easily replace their "premium" picks
ReplyDeletei apologize.Do you have any particular order or choice that we should consider (or replace) On next update? The reason why i choose to exclude OLED panel TV is because of the inconsistent input lag.if you care about input lag, skip OLED they say
DeleteAnd here's another perspectives from other people (thanks to ultimate master) and why i choose Sony X930D or Z9D as our premium choice is the slim backlight drive.
DeleteIt's what they shown at the conference with Days Gone with the cocktail Molotov, the TV will have a specific lit brighter for fires, sunlight, lights, and other artifacts that should be brighter in reality, you'll get it on your TV. All PS4 with HDR10 will give you that experience.
Most TVs this year have a cheap edge-lit backlight. Samsung's dynamic settings can take advantage if edge-lit with some trailers where everything goes dark before going to a new scene, but it's nowhere near as impressive as what Sony is offering.
To give a perspective, Samsung promotes HDR 1000 for 1000nits of brightness, it's an industry standard.
The X930D of Sony goes to 4000nits for specific areas of the Screen. Far better lighting than any other LED TVs. So if you want to go high-end, this is the LED TV to get.
Um the UN49KS800 is a great value, low input lag (even on 4k+HDR) true 10bit panel, sound quality (is a bit above the subpar quality of television) lol not 1 single review has been bad or below average for that television and NUMEROUS sites, say the same thing why the hell would I go with the 8500 or 9000 samsung series, when the upgrades are not such a huge difference, beyond color/gamut - and off-screen uniformity I would say there isn't a huge upgrade, I've viewed the 9000 series upclose calibrated for CNS performance, the design, the thickness, the input lag, picture quality, contrast/black uniformity, peak brightness, grey uniformity are all great (and above average) the only area it slightly falls below would be off-angle uniformity (which for me wont be a problem as I stand infront 4 feet away) making the near 50incher perfect. pre and POST calibration are 9.5 & 9.9 rating. 480/720/1080p content is above average rating, 4k content, color gamut, gradience & reflection are all (as well) above average rating. motion blur & 24p playback also above average solid rating. Motion interpolation is exceedingly high.
DeleteInput lag: 1080 @60hz - 20.9 ms
1080p w/ interpolation - 114.9 ms
1080p @60 outside game mode - 113.5ms
1080p @60hz 4:4:4 - 35.8 ms
4k @ 60hz - 21.7 ms
4k @ 60hz @ 4:4:4 - 35.7 ms
4k @ 60hz + HDR10 - 21.1 ms
4k @ 60hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR10 - 34.7 ms
it supports ALL resolutions besides 1080 @ 120hz
total: 4 HDMI inputs (input rating has also got a decent number)
HDR10=yes
Dolby Vision=yes
5.1 Passthrough ARC Dolby Digital = yes
HDMI 2.0 full bandwith = yes
HDCP2.2=yes
CEC=yes
5.1 Passthrough Optical DTS = yes
USB3=no
Variable Analog Audio Out=yes
Sound quality is also above average, with a lower rating towards total harmonic distortion (but the frequency response is higher then the average flat panel television by far).
Smart features have been given an 8.5 in rating (above average) w/ remote control also smooth & easy to use (intuitive) controls.
Out of the box its simplistic to use & ready only after a few small tweaks and minimal time involved.
And ratings & reviews (CNET, rtings, bluecollar) all sites say the same thing that KS8000 beats the JS8500 in picture and value anyday of the week. The 9000 isn't such a huge upgrade with the slightly adversed Quantum Dot Technology (which is the same with all models) to warrant the purchase, unless you really do want to spend that extra money. I am more then satisfied with the KS8000 (and I used to work with and sell televisions for a living). I would prefer for gaming The Samsung UN49KS8000 (or bigger screen based on your living conditions as said above) over most other models in the price range.
Infact - not 1 of the rtings/CNET review include the 9000 or 9500 series as a contender for gaming television (the 9000 series gets a particular high rating for HDR movies) but beyond that - repeatedly site after site review score after review score I am seeing the 8000 series as the best mid-level, highest value and best performer (and I can attest to that FIRST person) after over 100 hours of actual hands on play time/test-time. I agree there is some choices here that IMO should be omitted but overall a decent list. I agree with a few of them.
Deletewow. That's a long good review.Yes! KS8000 won this year
Deletewhich one's do you think should be removed?
DeleteHi Admin,
DeleteSome very good points here i am actually debating between the samsung KS series and the X930 for christmas. I def like to game and watch movies so i want a good tv with a good combination. My question is the input lag for the X930 for the 65 inch in deed lower then the 55 inch? Theres also a bend issue i am reading about with the X930? hows that holding up now?
It was cnet review which stated the 65 inch version input lag is ~30'sh something in game mode. Whereas rtings,hdtest measured it over 50ms.Yes, there's bent frame issues (its difficult to notice) with certain units.
DeleteThat one under 800 bucks, can it hit 30fps when playing game sin 4k?
ReplyDeleteThe performance of games is not depends on TV. It depends on the games and how much the developers optimized that game.if games is poorly optimized then they won't run 30 fps at 4k.
DeleteCould you recommend a TV around $500? Or would you have to spend ~700 to get a good experience out of the console. And should I invest in a better TV if i have the PSVR headset and can use the cinematic mode?
ReplyDeleteAt the moment, i believe Sony 43" XBR43X800D is the cheapest 4K HDR10 with 10 bit panel.Its about $650.next up is Sony 49" X800D which is about $800.
DeleteThe TV don't have any effect on PSVR headest and cinematic mode.Actually PSVR don't even require a TV!PlayStation VR’s integrated display tops out at 1920 x 1080; it does not support 4K output. Also, the PSVR headset does not support HDR features.
News: LG’s OLED TVs Get A huge Price Cut.LG is yet to confirm if the price cut is permanent or if it has only been temporarily made for the holiday shopping season.
ReplyDeleteHi, considering I will sit around 4 feets from TV which is very close, would you advice me to buy a 43 inch TV ? or should I go for a 49" ?
ReplyDeleteIf you sit distance between 3.5 and 5 feet, go for 49"
DeleteI'll update the viewing chart with recommended viewing distance and size for 4k.
What about monitors? What's a good
ReplyDeleteMonitor to play PS4 pro on?
HDR10 Monitors are not still consumer ready. Only prototypes exist at the moment.I believe we see more monitors in Q2 2017.I'll compile a list of HDR10 monitors when it becomes available.
DeleteIs Sony 43" X80D 4K HDR with Android TV enough for PS4 pro? I'm not sure how many bit the panel is but that is the cheapest 4k HDR tv of Sony here in Asia. And I'm not sure if it is HDR10 or Dolby Vision.. and have no Idea on the refresh rate is only says motionflow xr 200hz
ReplyDeleteI believe X80D is the same model as X800D ( Both are 8000 series). And as for X80D,It does support HDR10 standard but i'm not sure its through 8bit panel+FRC Or true native 10bit panel.The X800D does have 10bit panel (confiremd by rtings).So most likely X80D has 10bit native panel as well (i'm not 100% sure because regional models varies sometimes).The refresh rate on both models are different as well (Both has obviously fake refresh rates, the real refresh rate is 60HZ).I'm sure X80D won't support Dolby vision format.
DeleteThanks for the info. Whats the main feature/specs to look for in a tv by the way for ps4 pro? Is it ok as long as it has 4k and hdr10? Is it safe to assume that television made by sony would work well with ps4 pro as long as its 4k and hdr10?
DeleteApart from 4K,HDR10 Support,True native 10bit panel, You should check
DeleteWide color gamut support, peak brightness,contrast,and 'Real' refresh rate (120HZ is good for gaming and sports) and local dimming techniques used. Btw Sony motion flow 200hz refresh rate is 50HZ, and not 60hz(correction). Any TVS with 4K+HDR10 support will work with PS4 pro. Generally Sony TVs does better upscaling.
Since sony x80d is the cheapest 4khdr in the market would you suggest that its ok to purchase it for ps4 pro or should I wait for new models early next year and wait for price drops? The refresh rate is low and I think its not good for gaming. The only good thing I saw with this TV unit is 4k+hdr+10bit panel.
DeleteAlso don't forget to check input lag. I forgot lel
DeleteI think its better to hold X80D purchase till march/April if you are not sure about it.New models from various manufatures is very close (should see them in early march or Q1 2017). Then price of old models will drop and new models arrive. Then you'll have more choice to select the TV
DeleteThank you so much for your input. I will hold of my purchase and wait next year. Cheers!
DeleteWhat is the ideal contrast ratio and peak brightness btw? I forgot to ask.
DeleteThe amount of brightness (or black) measured in cd/m^2 ( 'cd' stands for candela,SI unit of luminous intensity) also known as ‘nits.’
Delete1 cd/m^2 = 1 nit
generally speaking more than 500 nits peak brightness and less than 0.03 nits black level is good.
more than 1000 nits and less than 0.02 black level is the top notch.Its Hard to obtain the 'perfect black (0 nit)' unless its an OLED TV.
infinite : 1 is the ideal contrast ratio value (only OLED can achieve it at this time)- Top notch
the above contrast ratio indicate that the whites on this display can be infinitely brighter than the blacks.
I consider 4000: 1 is a good value
And the higher the contrast ratio its better
Hi,i got samsung ua55ju6680 is it good for ps4 pro?
DeleteMy quick search shows it doesn't support HDR. Regardless it's a good Tv.
DeleteWhat about 700d?
ReplyDeleteI'm worried as I bought x700d and ps4pro
ReplyDeleteX700D has 10bit panel but doesn't have Wide color gamut support something that matters when viewing HDR content.Its not the best for HDR but not bad either. Btw you got HDR10 firmware update from sony?
DeletePerfect guide! This is exactly what i was looking for. I went to best buy today and was recommended the sony x800d model. The guy i talked to was a gamer as well and strongly recommended the sony over the lg. Due to input lag. LG's hdr pro is just another name for hdr10 (for those wondering like i was) which the very reasonably priced lg UH6030 model has. Everything you said about the x800d model was what the expert described. So its great to have that second opinion. Im going for the 43" due to my room size. Its also a massive increase from the 32" i have currently. Thanks again.
ReplyDeleteIsn't there something smaller you could use as a monitor for your PS4?
ReplyDeleteThere's no HDR monitor ready for consumers except 1 or 2 prototypes showed.Still, it's not fully HDR compatible. more about it here
Deletehttp://www.videogamerplus.com/2016/11/best-4k-uhd-monitor-for-ps4-pro-buyers.html
So, if you'are looking for a monitor for the PS4 Pro, your best choice is 4K monitor or 1080p monitor because 1440p monitor image will be downscale to 1080p.
If you are looking for a monitor for the PS4, best choice is 1080P monitor,on higher resolutions the image will look blurry.Personally, i like 24" monitors.
I have try all 3 variant first is to conect fifa17 ps4pro and samsung ks7500 55".. second is fifa17 ps4pro and samsung ju6400 4ktv.. third is normal ps4 fifa17 and 1080p samsung j6300... all 3 tv r wery good picture no bugs motion is perfect but not big diference.....
ReplyDeleteTv in this year for sports game like pes fifa and 2k17nba stay whit normal ps4 and good full hd tv.. like j6300 curved samsung.....
ReplyDeleteWill the Samsung ju7500 work rtings say it has hdr10 hdcp2.2 hdmi2.0 i already own one it cost me just over a grand for 2015 tv and i only recently bought it now im worried if i buy a ps pro ,which i want to i may have all these problems plz help me im going mad trying to find something ,anything at all about it on the net thannks,i don't know why a list of tvs that work hasn't been published
ReplyDeleteDon't sweat. Its a great gaming TV. I looked through rtings and found this from comment section.
Delete"but since other TVs in the JU series were able to produce a smooth gradient we would expect the same for the JU7500 (10 bit). As for HDR, the JU7500 doesn't have a very wide color gamut and can't get that bright so even if HDR content plays, it won't look that much better than regular content."
Also i found this from other review
"JU7500 doesn’t have all the future-proofing features of the SUHD range with its wider colour gamut, HDR support and 10-bit panel'
Rtings test methodology is different ' As long as the the TV perform smoothly over 10-bit gradient test, they'll categorize it as 10 bit tv even if it don't have 10 bit panel.
So we have to make sure the panel is 10-bit explicitly
The reason, Its 8-bit or 10 bit? is due to ' Samsung lottery panel'phenomena.Some TV's end up with 10 bit panel and others 8 bit panel. Its purely luck.
DeleteWill my samsung ju7500 2015 work with ps pro ive been trying to find info on tvs that have been OKed but there is no list on the net rtings say input supports hdr10…hdcp2.2…and hdmi 2.0 but im worred if i buy one I'll have the problems others have been having,it cost me over a grand just a couple of months ago so i dont wanna buy a new tv ,is there any way you can help plz im surprised nobody has compiled a list of all tvs that are working with the pro yet anyway thats my dilemma can you provide me with some helpful knowledge cheers
ReplyDeleteaahh double comment.I replied on earlier comment.
DeleteI have ks model hdr 7500 samsung.... and normal strong full hd j 6300 ... both tv r 55"... this year beter stay on full hd... not big diference full hd or 4k hdr...
ReplyDelete4K HDR makes difference and noticeable, but its not a quite a leap as we saw switch from SD to HD because HDR is is new tech and still in infancy stages
DeleteJu 7500 is super 4k tv for ps4... but i think for next year gameplay we all must go for beter tv if we wont to play maximum .....
ReplyDeleteNext year will be intense with the release of project Scorpio.Sony and microsft choose HDR10 over dolby. There'll be more TV's
DeleteDo you think the 55inch Sony XD7005 is good enough?
ReplyDeleteIts OK. it supports HDR
DeleteIf you still haven't bought it, go for Sony XBR-800D or Samsung KS8000
What about the KS7000? https://www.electronicworldtv.co.uk/55-samsung-ue55ks7000-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-freeview-hd-freesat-hd-smart-led-tv-ue55KS7000
DeleteThis seems to be a 10 bit panel HDR, with 4:4:4 chroma, I believe the 55" has an IPS panel too.
I have been looking everywhere for a comparison between the KS8000 and the KS7000... I can't genuinely see a difference.... Even in-store side-by-side....
I've checked all the reviews, it is literally half the price of the KS8000 yet, they look identical. To me anyway.
It is between the KS7000 and the Sony X800D. What do you recommend?
KS7000 is the UK equivalent of KS8000 in US. That,s why you see no difference.
DeleteKS7000 is better (input lag is around ~21 ms)
So without going through all comments and getting inpatient, from a gamers perspective which is the best and one and only choice of tv to choose for PS4 pro. Taking into consideration all factors input lag etc. Also is it worth buying a new tv now or waiting until next year?
ReplyDeleteIts hard to tell without knowing your criteria. Regardless
DeleteAbsolute best - Z9D
Better buy - KS8000
Usually price of old models drops before release of new TV in early march. I think its better off waiting because we are only 3 months away from it.
Admin have good advice buy ks 7500 or 8000. 55" and set picture to hdr+ make sharpnest 75 color 60 brightnes 55 . Beacouse when u put on hdr they drop u sharpnest to 20 is funy to play game like fifa without good sharpnest... fifa and 2k17nba have benefit if u have ps4pro and ks 7500 or 8000... is wery good pikture qualiti.. and offcourse set up all motion and the rest of the things on off.. put everithing to off..
ReplyDeleteKS8000 better. It needs to be calibrated to get the best results. Rtings have the guide on best settings
DeleteRtings is best i know that but Thnks for advice admin...
ReplyDeleteI've looked around everywhere and I finally decided on 4 options and I was wondering if you could help out a lil bit? I have a Sony 4K 2014 model and I just got the PS4 pro and I'm in dire need of an upgrade so I managed to look around and and make things a lil stressful! Option #1 to get the Samsung ks8500 Option #2 to get the Samsung ks8000 Option #3 to wait till the prizes drop next year and last option #4 to wait for the new models to come out! What's the best case scenario in your opinion? And also? Is there a big difference between both Samsung models that a mentioned? If so what are they and which one do you recommend for gameing and watching tv? Please and thank you
ReplyDeleteGreetings, KS8000 is really tempting and you already have a 4K TV. still, I think its better off waiting to see whats coming next year and price to fall (#3 and #4).
DeleteKS8500 and KS8000 performance is same,they are almost identical except KS8500 is curved.Other than that no big difference.gaming on curved TV's is subjective and mixed views.
I've asked everywhere for help, Sony, Best Buy, and the PlayStation company and no one by far has gave me the most satisfaction and best help other than here! I greatly appreciate your work and I'll be back here again if ever need any more assistance! Thanks again! One last question, will you be making reviews such as this one when the next generation of 4K tvs come out?
DeleteNo problem! I'm keeping an eye on the upcoming releases, If there's any interesting catch i'll update the 4k TV list which kept on other post. And i'll probably update this guide next year Q4 2017.
DeleteHey Admin
ReplyDeleteI just bought a KU7000 Samsung for PS4 Pro Gaming i haven't purchased my PS4 Pro Yet will be doing so next month. What do u think of the KU7000 Samsung?
Its a good TV for gaming with HDR support. 4k+HDR input lag is ~21ms which is very good.
DeleteSo is there any tv that's about 40"-43, around 400$, with all the UHD and 10 panel.
ReplyDeleteYou mean HDR + UHD + 10 bit ? Not yet
Deleteyou should take a look at hisense H8C. might be interesting to you
DeleteAs black friday is nearby, Can you suggest a TV(55-60 preferably 60 inch) exclusively for play station pro under or near $1000.
ReplyDeleteSamsung KS8000. 55" is around ~1000
DeleteHi was wonder if my tv xbr55x850b work with the PlayStation pro
ReplyDeleteMy search show its 8bit+ FRC. I'm not sure it got any HDR update. Regardless it'll work with Pro
DeleteI have a question. I was looking at your TV's here and was specifically checking out the samsung tvs (the ks8000) The 55" is a bot much for me so if I were to downgrade to the 49 inch would I still get the same features? (i.e. it'd be HDR 10 and 4k?) Sorry Im a noob when it comes to this tv stuff. Im thinking of using my tax returns to get a ps4 pro and 4k tv.
ReplyDeleteyes. Its the same model and features are same. Only screen size is different
DeleteHey Thanks! Another question for you. Which would you recommend? Is the Samsung KS8000 a good choice? I dont want to spend more than 1000 max.
DeletePersonally i recommend KS8000 this year.Its the better buy overall considering features and low input lag of ~21ms.
DeleteThank you. This site has been incredibly helpful. I really hate how companies will call HDR etc different things. It makes it incredibly difficult to find the correct info....especially when a lot of said info is not even in the product description.
DeleteThank you again!
Yes. Its true. marketing tactics though
DeleteIs this a good TV for a PS4 Pro?
ReplyDeletehttp://m.costco.com/.product.100300989.html
NOP. The input lag is so high ~63.7ms (4K+HDR).Even though,the panel is 10 bit,it has no wide color gamut support. Also, Vizio owners having trouble getting the PS4 Pro to output video in 4K.
Deletehiyo. another question. I have an old Logitech sound system that I've been using with my Vizio tv. would I be able to connect it to either the Samsung KS 85000 or ks95000. my old to has an audio out jack so I was able to just buy an adapter for that.
ReplyDelete8500/9500 audio passthrough is via optical or HDMI+ARC. I think you need an adapter
DeleteWhich is best for ps4 Pro? Looking in $500-700 range 55'', best for gaming, movies, sports?
ReplyDeleteSharp - 55" Class - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV-Model: LC-55N7000U
Samsung - 55" Class -LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV - Model: UN55KU6290FXZA
Samsung - 55" Class - LED - Curved - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV -Model: UN55KU6500FXZA
Of those UN55KU6500FXZA is better.The panel is superior. brightness and contrast ratio is higher and input lag is low
DeleteBro, can you tell me the equivalent of KS8000 and XBR-800D in malaysia?
ReplyDeleteI found 49KS7000 for the samsung but im not so sure
I believe
DeleteXBR- 800D equivalent is 'X80D' and
KS8000 equivalent is 'KS7000'. I'm not sure if the features are same because regional models varies
Seem like uk equivalent
DeleteAny big difference between the two? I want to take 49 inch ks7000 but that size is mostly sold out here.. Weird
Its 'X80D' in malaysia as well
Deletehttp://www.sony.com.my/electronics/televisions/x8000d-series
Difference between KS7000 (KS8000 equivalent) vs X80D? yes. Ther's significant difference in everything including picture, gaming,input lag, HDR. KS7000 is better and its worth its price.
I have a chance to buy the KS8000 65in at a price of $1100 shipped after tax directly from Samsung brand new because I get discount from my workplace and on top of that their early black friday sale going on right now.
ReplyDeleteMy question is should I jump on this deal or is the VIZIO P-Series 65in a much better tv as far as quality of picture and features go? I would not get as significant a discount as I will with the Sammy. I know the VIZIO has the Dolby standard as well as HDR10. I already have my PS4 Pro ordered as well I will be gaming so theres that too.
Get the 65" KS8000. It's the better deal and better buy. That's an awesome deal you got!
DeleteOk great thanks! Also is the KS9000 really worth the extra $300-400?
DeleteNOP. The main difference between KS9000 and KS8000 is the design. Picture quality of both around the same. There's no $300-$400 worth performance gap between these two.
DeleteBetween the ks9800 and the ks9500 is the price gap justified? I know the 9800 is full array, but raw picture quality does the 9800 slam the 9500?
ReplyDeleteI haven't checked the price lately.If its only $400-$500 more i would take it.When viewed at daylight, the difference can't be seen. But in dark, the difference in raw picture quality can be clearly seen thanks to FALD of 9800 but the FALD of 9800 is not better than other flagships out there.So i suspect it has fewer LEDs/zones.
DeleteIts as suspected. The KS9800 has 150 dimming zones. Where as other flagship like panasonic DX902 has 512 zones
Deleteis the 9800 series better than 8000 and 9000 series. Sorry in advanced if thats a stupid question but just curious on the differences.
ReplyDeleteYes. 9800 is clearly superior to 8000 and 9000 series.
Delete8000 (8500 is curved model of 8000) and 9000 (9500 is curved model of 9000) performs about the same. Main difference is the design. 8000/9000 series has Edge-lit LED backlighting whereas 9800 (curved) has Full array local dimming (FALD).The design is adopted from 9000. They posses similar design pattern.The colors are more accurate on 9800 and blacks are deep (still won't rival OLED's black). When viewed in daylight the difference can't be noticed. But in dark the difference can be clearly observed.
But the 9800 only comes in a curved screen?
DeleteYes.only curved model available
DeleteQuick question, I recently bought the Sammy 60" KU6300. I got it for $1k from Dell plus a $300 gc. From what I read it's not true 10bit but an 8bit set. My question is it one of the sets that is a 8-bit panel TV's with HDR10 (Dithering and AFRC (frame rate control)? For $1000 plus a $300 towards a ps4 pro it was hard to pass up. Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeleteYes.From what i gathered so far, its an 8 bit and use FRC dithering to support 10 bit.
DeleteAwesome!! Thanks for the response...based on your knowledge, do you think this is a pretty good set for a pro?
DeleteIts good for gaming with low input lag. But it doesn't really benefit from HDR due to lack of wide color gamut.
DeleteSo I have a sharp n7000u that said it was hdr enabled but I plug in the PS4 pro an it says that hdr isn't supported??? Any ideas for me why would be greatly appreciated. An I was thinking about getting the LG 55UH6030 which says it has HDR pro but I don't want to make the same mistake twice, please help!!!
ReplyDeleteSome TVs require you to change a specific setting that enables support for HDR. For,Vizio TV - you've to anable "HDMI Color Subsampling" on each HDMI port; on Sony TVs, You've to set "HDMI signal format" to "enhanced format"; For samsung its "HDMI UHD Color" and "HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color" for LG. I'm not sure what's the option for sharp. Its better to ask in forums. If it still not working try changing the cables. Look for Premium HDMI Certified Cables. These are certified to work with 4K HDR content.
DeleteAs for LG 55UH6030 it supports HDR10. But i'm not sure about the panel is 8 bit or 10bit and supports Wide color gamut.
Hi, I was curious to know if the Sony 65" X85C was compatible with the PS4 Pro? And if it is, would it be a good tv to game with. I am very new at this and don't know much.
ReplyDeleteyes. Its compatible with pro and got HDR update. It does have 10-bit panel and wide color gamut support.but the peak brightness brightness is 100nit which isn't that great for HDR. Also the input lag is in the 60ish range (4K+HDR) which is ok for casual gaming but not that good in general.Also it lacks local dimming. The 55" model has local dimming and uses Edge-lit backlight and touches 300nits. Still the input lag is very high
DeleteJust curious which tv make and model do you personally use Admin?!
ReplyDeleteI use monitor for gaming
DeleteI am stuck between samsung 43inch ku7000 samsung 40 inch ku6300 and the sony 43 inch XBR 43X800D...i have the ps4 pro and looking for best gaming experience. im going to best buy in less than two hours and I am stuck
ReplyDeleteThat's tough.
DeleteSony XBR-43X800D has 10bit panel, good input lag,good HDR performance and good motion handling. KU7000 has very low input lag and limited HDR performance. X800D has slight edge
What about the LG 55UH850V Smart 3D 4k Ultra HD HDR 55" LED TV.
ReplyDeleteis a good or excellent as a PS4 PRO TV?
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-audio/televisions/televisions/lg-55uh850v-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv-10144280-pdt.html
That's a good TV.It does pass 4K HDR checks. Dolby vision on top of that. But 850v/950v has light bleed and banding issues going on it with its panels.
DeleteFirst of all, thank very much for the help.
DeleteIs the SONY BRAVIA KD55XD8599BU Smart 4k Ultra HD HDR 55" a 10bit panel?
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/sony-bravia-kd55xd8599bu-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv-10143161-pdt.html#srcid=11026
Is this TV any better than the LG one? I am really confused and do not know what I should buy for my PS4 PRO.
From what i gathered so far. it's not 10bit. its either 8bit or 8bit+ FRC. Also, the panel is IPS and blacks are not good. Its poor for HDR because it cannot cover the full DCI-P3 color gamut. The LG TV is better.
DeleteLook at this model ue55ks7000/7500(curved)
Deletehttp://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/samsung-ue55ks7000-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv-10144941-pdt.html#srcid=11026
its the equivalent of ks8000 in us.
Cheers mate this is highly appreciated
DeleteHey man...Im really hoping you can help me out here. I got the samsung ks9000 and a ps4 pro. I hooked everything up and turn on hdr on the port the ps4 pro is plugged into but all i get is a black screen. Do you know whats up?
ReplyDeleteDid you turn HDR on in the PS4 Pro settings?
Deleteyou are getting audio? many people are having same issue with pro after 4.05 firmware update.
DeleteFound these fix
DeleteReddit
youtube
@admin....when the screen turns black, Im not getting any audio...Whats interesting is if I connect via my vita and check my screen settings...it says hdr is supported (2k/4k) and I can choose the 2160p -RGB setting...but again no picture on the tv. Someone told me it may be the cable so I might try getting a new one I suppose.
DeleteLook for Premium HDMI Certified Cables. These are certified to work with 4K HDR
Deletewill do. Im just worried the tv is broken but I dont think so considering I get normal 4k and can actually see the HDR mode via my vita. Im HOPING its the cable.
DeleteBTW. Thanks for all the help and info, Much appreciated. Best guide on the internet and best help so far.
Did you tried that youtube fix?
DeleteLG is coming up with a fix for connection problems
Deletehopefully others will follow.
DeleteWhat youtube fix? You linked to a reddit post...
DeleteHey I forgot to mention that when I switch to UHD on on my ps4 pro the screen turns black and I dont get sound either.....If you know, I think this may be another sign that its the cable
DeleteI added two different links in there.reddit and youtube. Here it is if you haven't seen the youtube fix.
DeletePs4 Pro Black Screen/No sound FIX
Hi and thank you for the video but this is not my issue. I can get the normal $k yuv mode. I cannot activate the 2160 p -rgb on my ks9000 - When I turn on UHD on the tv the screen turns black....no sound or image. When I connect my vita I can clearly see that its recognized. See image here.
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Just an update yall. It was the ps4 pro standard cable. I had to buy a new one. THANK GOD MY SHIT IS NOT BROKEN!
ReplyDeleteglad it finally worked. We hope you'll have good time with the set
DeleteFrom the UK. What is the lowest cost tv you would recommend admin?
ReplyDeleteI'm not that much familiar with UK models and TV. It might need some deep digging.because model numbers are different,
Delete1. ue55ks7000/7500(curved)
2. Sony X800D (us)- Sony XD80 (uk)-( I'm not sure the uk version has same 10 bit panel has US version ).
3. lg 55uh850v (uk)
Hi Admin, great thread, What is the lowest price tv that would work with ps pro,with good specs for gaming?
ReplyDeleteI guess its Sony X800D at the moment
DeleteExcellent, would you know the UK code?
DeleteSony XD80 (uk)-( I'm not sure if the uk version has same 10 bit panel has the US version of x800d). All i'm finding is conflicting info about the uk model
DeleteI checked the sony website and it confirms 10 bit under HEVC support for the XD80 models. is this correct? https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd8005-series/specifications
DeleteI guess not.That's related to broadcasting/videoplayer codec stuff. It means it can play 10 bit encoded video
DeleteHi, i'm wondering which of these two models would be best for gaming and as a tv altogether, any help would be greatly appreciated.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.currys.ie/Product/sony-bravia-kd55xd8599bu-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv/336498/397.0.6
and
http://www.currys.ie/product/samsung-ue55ks7000-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv/336944/397.0.7
Thanks.
Second one. UEKS7000
DeleteHi, I am looking to find out if the Sony Bravida KD-55XD8005 is a good buy to combine with a ps4 pro? I am worried about input lag but I cannot find any test.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd8005-series
Its new and no single reviews yet. From the owners threads there's no lag issues with that TV after multiple long gaming sessions of different games.So it'll be fine. What we don't know sure about this TV is its either 8bit or 10 bit. or 8bit+FRC.
DeleteThank you very much for such a detailed review. What do you think is a better choice for PS4 Pro, Sony KD-55XD8599 or KD-55XD8005 (those are model numbers in Russia). The reason I am asking is... I don't understand how a lower priced model can be better than a higher priced. Another thing is multiplayer gaming on PS4 Pro, as I understand, MP games are looked to 30 fps to balance PS4 and PS4 Pro, can this be helpful for choosing the right TV? I mostly play MP. Thank you in advance.
ReplyDeleteThe only main difference i find is the refresh rates on TV. 8005 has 50HZ native and 8599 has 100hz native.What difference it make?
DeleteFirst, There's no HDMI version that supports 4k at 120hz. HDMI 2.0 limits 4K @ 60HZ. SO how they doing it? They repeat the same 'input frame' multiple times to get the higher refresh rate.Once you turned on Game mode on TV all the motion enhancing stuff will get turned off (TO lower the input lag). This induces higher chance for motion blur on TV. Many won't notice it. Some don't even bothered with it. But IMO You need 120Hz/100HZ to really combat motion blur. Any content that has a lot of fast, horizontal panning of the camera higher refresh rate modes can help. In your case it can help.
Would that justifies higher price? Not if there's huge gap.
I think its better to stick with KD-55XD8005 if the price difference is very high
DeleteHi, i want to upgrade to a 4K tv, and have sort of narrowed it down to either samsung ks7000/8000 (60") vs the sony Bravia KD-65XD8505 (Europe models). The problem that withholds me everytime from buying is input lag. I know the samsungs have game mode, but the little i know is that game mode will make games look bad. I use my TV primarily for gaming and my PS4 (want to upgrade to 4K console) to play online FPS games such as battlefield. Input lag nags at me everytime I look at TV and no manufacturer advertise this, and there is no PC monitor the size I'd like as I'm around 4.5 meters away from TV. Which one would be better for gaming FPS games (online) - Samsung or Sony?
ReplyDeleteSamsung is the way to go. It does have the lowest input lag and best picture quality. Since you are into FPS games,it's the right one suits you.
DeleteGame mode is to tackle input lag. Once its on all the pretty motion enhancing stuff will gets turned off.So the motion blur will become more noticeable.That might be people referring to games look bad.If the native refresh rate is high enough over 100HZ then there won't be much problem with look of the games.
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. Best answer people at shop gave me was that sony should be better because sony make ps4, that there is bad sales pitch. Thanks for clarifying the better option.
DeleteHi, anybody has tested the PS4 pro with LG 55UH6030??? I had this TV and I am wondering if I would have to tweak anything specific for it to work with the PS4 pro...
ReplyDeleteAny problems?
DeleteHey qq. I've posted here before but can't find a definitive answer to my question. I have the samsung KS9000 and Im wondering if it supports full rgb....The setting which you can change in the ps4 settings from automatic. (not the resolution) I have it currently set at automatic but would like to change it to full if it supports it. Trying to get the best picture for my FF 15 :) thank you for your help.
ReplyDeleteYes. Found it hehe. Under Expert settings there is 'HDMI Black level'. Its the 'RGB'. Many TV's now use terms 'black level' or 'HDMI black level' instead of RGB. And there's also 'RGB only mode' as well.
DeleteSo i believe you can change it to full.
cool. I think normal is full rgb. There is no technical rgb term in the tv settings. Its either low, auto or normal
ReplyDeleteI was unfortunate and dropped over 2k on the Sony Bravia XBR900B, it's a great tv, but it doesnt have HDR... I just got the PS4 pro... I can't return it... Is it really that huge of a difference when gaming?
ReplyDeleteThere's difference. I wouldn't say huge at this time because not much content or games are out there but more games and content are on the way.
DeleteSo I just got my KS8000 65in a few days ago and everything looks great except my shitty Comcast HD picture? I know they recently changed their compression codec to MPEG4 could this be why? It doesn't even look HD on the HD channels. It's pretty bad...
ReplyDeleteI think its the signal and not TV. Call Comcast tech support?
Deletelol I forgot to leave out a small detail. I am a Comcast Technician and have been for 10years. My houses signal is 👌 perfect as can be. I actually took the hdmi from my cable box to receiver out of my receiver straight to the samsung hdmi box and reset my tv to manufacture default and it looks a lot better now. Not sure why that worked?
DeleteLOL *facepalm* hmm. Usually,there shouldn't be any difference in video quality if it runs through AV reciever.That being said cable box would be better straight into the tv as it can then send an rgb picture, When it goes through the receiver you will just get composite.That might be the issue. What's your cable box and receiver models?
DeleteCable Box is an Arris mx011anc and receiver is a Pioneer VSX-1021-k
ReplyDeleteAlso when setting up the ps4 video settings to automatically choose between RGB and YUB420 my screen would intermittently go black while playing. What should the video setting be in the ps4? What is the difference between the two settings?
ReplyDeleteIts to do with chroma sampling. I'm now quoting from reddit user(benbenkr).Its the simplest answer i found else would take a decade to explain lol. Thanks to him.
Delete"YUV420 refers to 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. It is recommended to use YUV420 for HDR BECAUSE HDMI 2.0 does not have enough bandwidth to do 4:4:4 a.k.a RGB at 10bit, with HDR enabled.So with YUV420, HDR10 (10-bit) can be passed through the limitation of the HDMI 2.0 bandwidth"
To make it precise. YUV420 for HDR content. RGB for Non HDR content.
DeleteCan you set the PS4 to full RGB range and deep color?. On the TV, keep the HDMI black level to normal and UHD Color to off.Don't forget to match the color space output of the console with that of the TV input.
And here's the digital foundry guide for best settings. It might help
Samsung KS7000/ KS8000 Best TV Settings Guide [PS4 Pro/Xbox One S/PS4/PC]
Hi Admin,
ReplyDeletecan you confirm the reports for the X930D that the input lag is reduced for the 65 inch? i heard about the patch but still getting mixed reviews. I really like the sony because of your points about the 1000 nits vs 4000 nits. Samsung would probably be my alternative.
It was cnet review which stated the 65 inch version input lag is ~30'sh something in game mode. Whereas rtings,hdtest measured it over 50ms.
Deletewhat about people that don't have a new 2016 model 8000 series i have a JS8000 2015 .it kinda sucks i bought it exactly 1 year ago not knowing about the new craze that HDR would bring but i did speak with a samsung rep and i do indeed have HDR even my PS4PRO says it's HDR supported maybe not 10bit panel but oh well. When i play in game mode everything looks so grey even with most of these settings matched. i did see improvements in lag but i'm happy in DYNAMIC MODE everything just seems right. game still looks amazing in 4k i'll just wait few more years before i get a newer model, by then i'm pretty sure all this HDR crap will be figured out and maybe we will even see 5k-6k gaming tvs technology is only going to improve. what do you think ADMIN? should i stay with this T.V not sure if it's any good for gaming or HdR
ReplyDeleteHDR wasn't mainstream until consoles added support for it in games this year. The 4K HDR thing will stay around for a while.Honestly, IMO only TV purists should be only concerned about it for now. As time goes on, the premium features will be available on mainstream models. Considering HDR is still at infancy, later on the road, there'll be better models and price would go down.I think we are good till 2018. Stay with your TV for a while before next upgrade.I see there's no point to drop another grand purely for HDR for now.
Deletehttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KD43XD8077-Android-TRILUMINOS-PlayStation/dp/B01HM7JPMW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480946386&sr=8-5&keywords=Sony%2BXD80&th=1
ReplyDeleteAny Good?
I'm not sure the uk/ Europe version has same 10 bit panel has US version. sorry bro. I couldn't still confirm it.
DeleteI have both models samsung ks 7500 curve and ks 9000 curve.. both tv r 55".... conected whit ps4 pro.. set up tv to HDR+... and go to sharpnes 75 backlite to 20 contrast to 100. Bright to 55 colour to 60... and rest all go to off.. great picture if u play nba 2k17nba..fifa17 and pes17..
ReplyDeleteBut i not see so much diference ks7500 vs 9000 ks.. and price is about 500eur.more for 9000
ReplyDeleteBut this samsung is good for every euro what they cost... beleve me ppl...
ReplyDeleteHi Admin, Can you help me check the Sony X7000D 49" 4k HDR whether it is suitable to bring out the best of PS4 pro? or will it lag? Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeletehello. I couldn't find specific info about that model beacuse regional model varies. Close comparison is X700D.It does have 10bit panel but no Wide color Gamut support and peak brightness is better than average. The input lag is 32.4ms which is really good and you won't have any lag issues.Overall it's very good for pro
DeleteOk thanks you so much :)
Deleteadmin do you recommend game mode or hdr+ mode or neither on the KS8000? I do hear some people complain about the game mode not sure why it looks great on my 8000.
ReplyDeleteGame Mode
DeleteI thought the lower the input lag the better?? 32.4ms is pretty high
ReplyDeleteYes, you are right.Lower is better.For Tvs, 30ms is considered as target performance and is very good. For competitive/shooters gaming it should be minimum ~20ms or lower which i believe the lowest most TVs can get today. And ofcourse it only applies to TVs. For monitors, its different story
DeleteI can't find specs in this TV, Samsung KU6600 55 inch 6-Series . Would it be compatible ?
ReplyDeleteIt won't get full benefit of HDR even though it has HDr10 support cuz the tv don't have wide color support and panel is 8 bit.
DeleteHi Admin, great thread. It helped me to find a good TV. I'm going to buy Samsung UE55KS8000 (europe/The Netherlands). I hope it's almost the same as: Samsung UN65KS8000.
ReplyDeleteThanks you made it easy to learn which specs are important.
Europe/UK version of KS8000 is KS9000 in US
DeleteEurope/UK version of KS7000 is KS8000 in US
So you are getting Higher Tier TV than KS8000. Not much of difference in terms of picture. Only design changes. Good luck
Yeah I'm going for a KS700 (Eu/UK) is cheaper.
DeleteThank you! Why do they change the version names...
hi so I asked this before but want to confirm. is the Samsung ks9000 full rgb compatible meaning it'll work with the ps4 pro in full rgb? the reason I ask is because when I set my TV black levels to normal...it looks grayed out....when I set it to low with full rgb it looks better. any info would be appreciated. does the game itself need to state it supports full rgb? I'm pretty sure the TV supports full rgb because when I turn ff 15 hdr on and ps4 pros full rgb the black levels in the TV settings will lock to normal. cannot be changed
ReplyDeleteYes and it should.If you Put PS4 Pro on full rgb and your tv(HDMI Black level) to normal , It should work properly. But it's not working as intended.I guess its a known issue and should be addressed via patch
DeleteHi, thanks for the page. It has really helped. our Local Best Buy here in the states has two Samsung's on sale next week - UN55KU6300FXZA ($699) & UN55KS8000FXZA ($1199). Is the KS800 really worth the $500 difference in price? I am planning to get this mainly for the PS4 which I play off/on (life getting in the way an all). 55" is fine since my game chair is only about 6-8' away.
ReplyDeleteKS8000 is really worth if you are upgrading to PS4 pro or more powerful consoles later.If you are going to stick with PS4 and not upgrading its not worth.
DeleteThanks.. and after further research, decided to get the 65" KS8000 after all (in for ounce in for a pound).
DeleteGreat! We hope you'll have good time with the set
Deleteon the ks8000 I have it hooked to a pioner receiver for 5.1 surround sound and when i set the tv to always play sound from the receiver it all works fine until I shut off the tv then when I go to turn it back on the sound defaults to tv speakers? I cannot get it to default to my receiver. Any ideas?
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